* Krystof just gets _why_ dan_b has been obsessing with "entomotomy" [wnewman] because dan_b likes "you say entomatomy" jokes? [dan-b] wnewman: look, if you _want_ a bug database called "off" [dan-b] ...
[dan`b] where do symbols come from? well, when a reader and a package love each other very much ...
2004-03-13 (referring to http://tnx.nl/php.txt)
[antifuchs] Mean PHP core function name length: 13.67 [antifuchs] "yeah, but what's the standard error?" (-: [dan-b] the standard error is to use PHP, I think
[noss] what is the terminology to separate lisp code as its textual representation and the data is code language? i.e. what you pass to READ and what you pass to EVAL? [segv] you pass strings to read and forms to eval. [segv] strings or streams. [antifuchs] you pass streams to READ (; [segv] what antifuchs said. [antifuchs] unless your read is read-from-string, right (: [eval] I hate my IRC client, it pops up everytime my name is said
[kmr] xophe: is cmucl amd64 working? [Xophe] probably not to the extent of "working", no [emarsden] I don't think that binaries are available
[Xophe] minion, reply to alemmens' survey! [minion] does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you?
[nyef] Hrm... a 50-line file, and I suspect that 13 lines of it say that I'm completely insane. [antifuchs] nyef: so what? 37 say that you're the exact opposite (-: [wnewman] Maybe 37 say he's a pleasant kind of insane, and 13 say that he's a SBCL/x86 calling convention kind.
[Luke] I have a small program that has been looking "basically right" for about two days, but has never worked, and I find fundamental problems with it every few hours :)
[slothrop] it's tough to build apparently [slothrop] cmucl, I mean [wnewman] I did finally figure out how to do it, in my own way.
[Krystof] ah, to be young again [emu] Krystof: don't think you missed much
[dan-b] premature standardization is the root of all Java
[dan-b] it would be nice if more people knew the difference between i.e. and e.g. [wnewman] If you write the canonical web browser to displace Internet Explorer, and name it Evil Genius, then for at least fifteen minutes afterwards you should have a good conversational excuse to remind people of the difference.
[Xophe] LESS BROKEN MD5 [Xach] FEWER BROKEN MD5 [Xophe] BROKEN MD4
[ingvar] Modelling forest damage by storms with egular expressions is... a curious idea. [Xach] before: ||| after: //_ [Xach] seems easy enough to me
[frodef] wow, someone wrote ext2fs reading for movitz.. so now movitz can be confused about logical pathnames too..
[Xof] I just delivered my first Lisp application [Xof] thank you, clx hackers, mcclim hackers, climacs hackers. [Xof] sbcl hackers [Xof] hmm, all of those are me :-)
[gusl] btw, do you know which symbol returns the result of the last evaluation? [Xof] * [gusl] great [gusl] and what was the other one which returns the function it's in? [Xof] -ENOSENSE [gusl] thanks, Xof. This will help me a lot in debugging. [gusl] what does the ENOSENSE part mean, btw? [jdz] gusl: it means that the question does not compute [gusl] jdz: but his answer was right [gusl] - is what I was looking for
[Clemens] Xophe: what's a cluebat?
[sdschulze] In the Hurd, you'll be able to write filesystems in Lisp. [sdschulze] You can already write /dev/zero in Scheme. [sdschulze] IIRC [ayrnieu] how useful! [sdschulze] and Ruby and Python [Xof] I'm not going to be sarcastic at this point. I am simply going to hold my head in my hands and say a short, silent prayer for humanity [sdschulze] More complex filesystems are being discussed.
* slyrus (gives-up-trying-to-understand-ir1-transforms)
[Xof] heh. I was about to recommend the dragon book, but my brain said "no, his name can't be Sethi, that's a sparc opcode"
20:33 [mgr] gilberth: Merry Christmas! (A bit late, but not too late. :) 20:34 [gilberth] mgr: Well we celebrated Newton's birthday; but thanks anyway :) 20:36 [lichtblau] so what are going to tell your children (once you've got some) about who brings the presents? "oh just look under the newtontree what old newton brought this night?" ;-) 20:36 [hefner] gravity? 20:36 [gilberth] Well, I'll tell them Netwon found out about gravity, not because an apple fell from the tree, but a present. 20:37 [lichtblau] oh, of course! 20:37 [gilberth] And the present is from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster">the spaghetti monster</a> of course. 20:37 [lichtblau] gravity, the basic recipe for a romantic childhood story! 20:38 [mgr] gilberth: :) That seems to be a better occasion! Though you are probably <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton">a bit early</a> for our Gregorian calendar. ;)
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17:11 [slyrus] did anyone see the eclipse? 17:14 [dan`b] no, it was too dark
13:41 [lemonodor_] chandler: what's the status of unmutual.info? (i'm specifically wondering about a 404 when trying to asdf-install colorize) 13:41 [chandler`] lemonodor_: not all of my asdf-installable software is actually asdf-installable. When in doubt, svn co svn://unmutual.info/whatever
[Xof] speaking of painful things [Xof] does anyone here use <a href="http://www.lisp.org/mop/dictionary.html#finalize-inheritance">FINALIZE-INHERITANCE</a>? ... [Xof] it was very subtly broken [Xof] but to unbreak it its behaviour has to be changed rather grossly ... [rudi] does <a href="http://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/">mcclim</a> still work? [Xof] no idea [rudi] mcclim, the (_H(*) 2 3) of clos
[nyef] And when you have a specific question (not "please write it for me" or "why doesn't this work?"), we may be more inclined to answer. [logic_grrl] nyef, i never askd anyone to write it [PseudoCapitana] nyef: jesus ure such a cruel persona
[antifuchs] agh... I want to disagree with so many things in c.l.l that I get rsi even thinking about them.
[rahul] a sufficiently intrusive compiler is indistinguishable from God.
[pjb] The walls inside the lisp house are paperthin like in Japanese houses. They're purely symbolic. Some other language may have reinforced concrete interior walls. Choose where you want to live! ;-) [nyef] pjb: Surely that has acoustic as well as thermal implications.... [pjb] Yes, you need to be more civilized in a Japanese house :-) [Xach] chilly during the AI winter
[mogunus] How do I deal with a HEAP EXHAUSTED ERROR? [AshyIsMe] let it rest
[starseeker] We should do an annual "lisp quote contest" or something [schme] I'd like to enter ' into this contest. [schme] It was FUNNY!
*** nikodemus attacks gencgc *** gengc fights back! *** nikodemus dies nikodemus left the room ("RIP"). gengc left the room ("SIGKILL").
[dan_b] good design taste is easier to identify in its absence
2009-06-24 (in a discussion of efficiency)
[tcr] shorter code conses less in Lisp... in the reader!
[weareyourfriends] (how-do-i-get-laid) [mathrick] that's implementation specific [weareyourfriends] heh [metawilm] weareyourfriends: get Closer and use define-layered-function
[Fare] francogrex, you read the EVAL-WHEN documentation and you lose 1d6 SAN
[schme] tic: Pffft! Don't listen to beach. Start a new project each day. Flip a dice every day to see which one to hack on. Get very confused every day :D [beach] schme: I am trying to tell tic "do as I say" rather than "do as I do". * tic does whatever spiderpig do
[Krystof] some day I would like to move to a server which has a ban list, rather than a non-adjustable ban vector
[Azuvix] Bigger channel than I expected. [Xach] Most are bots. [tcr] Lisp and AI, you know [nyef] This is where all the AI systems come to hang out and chat about making AI systems... Thus, it's a weird form of cybersex. [tcr] they mostly don't talk because they're so slow though because it's interpreted, but hey
[stassats`] i think earmuffs were invented during AI Winter, to keep it warm
[billyr] hi how do you declare a "byref" parameter in emacs lisp? thx [|3b|] #emacs knows more about emacs lisp [billyr] thank you [joshe] Yes they do, the poor bastards [joshe] oops, did I say that out loud?
** discussion about how some Lisp functions are named after assembly instructions ** [Quadrescence] there's also DPB [Quadrescence] Historically, the name ``dpb'' comes from a DEC PDP-10 assembly language instruction meaning ``deposit byte.'' [qu1j0t3] yes. [qu1j0t3] on the other hand, TERPRI is named for the highest scoring word in a drunken scrabble game played between Gosper and Greenblatt on 14th March, 1977.
[pjb] Well, just look at the typography of (list (function f) (quote x)) vs. (list #'f 'x) Only nice rounded chubby parentheses in the former, compared to those poking spikes of the sharp and apostrophe characters in the later.